According to the interview and report from Gu Li, the correspondent of Radio France [Interview A report from Le Figaro The Washington Times Reuters published a story on March 30 from On March 28, the spokesperson The Chinese reporter using the alias Jin Zhong Reporter: How did you discover the facility Jin Zhong: It was very accidental. Reporter: Jin Zhong: Yes Reporter: What made you have Jin Also another Reporter: Jin Reporter: Jin Reporter: Had you got in Jin Zhong: Reporter: Then Jin Reporter: Jin Zhong: It is difficult for me to repeat the Reporter: It was reported Jin Zhong: I can not Reporter: Jin Reporter: Then who were the most Jin Zhong: Based on my investigation, Reporter: Jin Reporter: You investigated this matter; Jin Zhong: The crematorium Reporter: Did you have a conversation with the Jin Zhong: Do you mean the farmer who heated the Reporter: Yes. Jin Reporter: Then you heard this Jin Zhong: It is not that I heard this indirectly; Reporter: What Jin Zhong: How can I put it? For instance, we can Reporter: Jin Zhong: They did not dare to say this, Reporter: Jin Zhong: I don't know What I felt the trick was that, in Shenyang Reporter: Jin Reporter: Now Jin Reporter: Jin Zhong: I Reporter: Jin Zhong: Once I felt Reporter: What did they say? Jin Reporter: Jin Zhong: That's difficult to tell. The above describes the investigation on the Liaoning Provincial
International (RFI), the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) harvests organs from executed
prisoners for profit, which has aroused the international community's broad
attention. Le Figaro (France) reported on the 3rd of April that
hospitals in China obtain organs from executioners. Le Figaro quoted Chen
Zhonghua, a former surgeon at Tongji Hospital in Wuhan City that 99% of organs
came from executed prisoners; some executed prisoners still had body temperature
when he removed their organs. This Wuhan's surgeon indicated to South
China Morning Post (Hongkong) that, it is a very common practice to harvest
organs from prisoners' bodies. Everyone closes their eyes and does not care
if this has violated human morality.
record in Chinese omitted]
said that, last month the World Health Organisation said that China is the country
where “foreigners can purchase executed prisoners' organs”. Le Point (France)
reported on March 23 that China is the heaven of organ transplant. Last year several
hundred foreigners went to China for kidney transplants. They came from the US,
Australia, Japan, England and Israel. The price of a transplant operation for
foreigners is ten times more than for Chinese. It is approximately 40,000 to 50,000
Euros for a kidney transplant.
in the US and The New Paper in Singapore recently published a Chinese reporter's
testimony one after another. This Chinese reporter had just escaped to the US,
and used the pseudonym Jin Zhong. He revealed that a few years ago when he was
investigating the situation of SARS, he discovered that several thousand Falun
Gong practitioners were imprisoned at the Liaoning Provincial Thrombosis Hospital
of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine, and their organs were being harvested
Geneva saying that Manfred Nowak, United Nations Special Commissioner against
Torture, indicated in a press conference that he is launching an investigation,
and once this news is proved to be serious and credible, he will officially raise
this case to the CCP regime.
for the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs denied that the hospital in Sujiatun
imprisons Falun Gong practitioners and harvests their organs for sale. AFP
published a report from Washington on March 31 and said that the spokesperson
for the US State Department indicated that the US hopes the Chinese authorities
would launch an investigation regarding this matter rather than just simply making
accepted an interview with RFI over the telephone not a long ago. For security
considerations, he asked to have his voice altered. The following is a transcript
of the interview:
at Sujiatun in the beginning?
While gathering news and doing an investigation in China, you normally don't
have many opportunities. You could often dig some news at mah-jong halls, sauna
bath rooms, or dining tables. I got the news from some high level officials in
Liaoning province. I obtained it accidentally while communicating with them.
have you visited the Thrombosis Hospital?
I have visited that hospital.
the suspicion and want to investigate this hospital at that time?
Zhong: I felt the hospital was quite suspicious from many aspects, not only from
the Health Department and the Sanitation Bureau of Liaoning Province. The rumours
about very large numbers of people imprisoned in the hospital were known by many
people, including the inhabitants nearby. People had been sent into the hospital
for a very long period of time, a few years, but no there were no signs indicating
any person was ever released from the hospital.
point, it is a hospital with a main entrance, but if you try to enter from the
rear yard, you will find it to be strictly guarded. Anyone could feel the atmosphere
of vigilance. Now there are many photos of the rear yard of the hospital published
on the Internet. I have to admit that those who took those photos are very capable
and brave. Basically when I was there to do the reporter's job, it was impossible
for me to take any photos. I had no way to approach the rear yard, as there were
plainclothes policeman to intercept you and not let you pass through. I am now
still not sure if those were security guards or plainclothes police.
What channels then did you learn from that the harvesting of organs from human
bodies, even some from living persons' bodies, was happening in this hospital?
Zhong: From the surgeon who performs the operation.
Had you contacted the doctor who performed the operation?
Zhong: Yes, now there is another witness, the wife of a doctor who performed the
operation. She definitely was an employee at Sujiatun. Now she has also stepped
forward to give her testimony.
touch with only one doctor or a few doctors?
I was in touch with two or three doctors, some of them directly involved in this
matter and some indirectly participating.
can you tell me an original word that the doctor told you?
Zhong: One original word? Do you mean one word the doctor once told me?
Right, like, how did he remove organs from person's body, and from a live
original words all of a sudden. However I felt he conveyed such a meaning. He
said, “We removed many organs, after the organs were removed, the person was still
alive, not a dead person”. Just such a few words, I was very shocked while I heard
this news — the person did not die.
on the Internet that about 6000 people were detained inside the hospital, do you
think the number 6000 is credible?
say it is 100% accurate, but based on the information I got at that time as well
as the witnesses and material evidence that has been exposed from all aspects
in the broad daylight now, I think the figure is basically credible, because this
figure is not only from my part, but also from many other witnesses and material
evidence. Their testimonies also prove the figure I got at that time is basically
correct. However, I reckon there are not so many now.
You mean the 6000 was the figure of a few years ago, right?
Zhong: That's right.
part of those people?
I feel that most likely they were Falun Gong practitioners, perhaps there were
also some ordinary criminals, but I think the majority were Falun Gong practitioners.
It is said that you did see the crematorium, did you?
Zhong: Yes, I did.
tell us what the results were?
was located in the rear yard of the hospital. Now the photo of the crematorium
has been published on the Internet, you can have a look. Recently we got an audio
recording of a conversation with farmers who were working in the boiler room of
the crematorium. The record indicates that those farmers admitted they burned
bodies and obtained very many wristwatches, finger rings and such from the corpses.
They then brought those objects out for sale, there is some evidence that can
boiler inside the crematorium?
Zhong: No, I didn't.
I just simply have this evidence in hand.
contact them by pretending to purchase wristwatches or f rings, then mention the
fact that they worked in the crematorium and could casually obtain many wristwatches
and rings, and ask them is that right? They, of course, acknowledged this bluntly,
it was the actual situation. However they were also very scared while talking
with them, they were afraid of being arrested.
Did they reveal how many bodies they burned per day, a few bodies per day or a
dozen per day?
they were also very scared. I believe their higher authority must have warned
them about this. Normally they were not willing to reveal this.
As far as you know, after the organs were removed, they would need a way to transfer
the removed organs to somewhere else. Where were the organs transferred to? Who
was the buyer of the organs?
if you have the knowledge about the situation of transplant operation in China
at present. In the year 2004, a program on CCTV explicitly mentioned the fact
that in China a kidney transplant operation can be performed in many places, even
in the hospitals in small villages or towns. Therefore the circulation channels
are very widespread. Those organs were sold to different places, some may be sold
city, those being arranged immediately to do transplant operations were likely
from outside areas or overseas, or also possibly transferred from other places
to here to accept the transplant operations. I basically felt this was the situation.
There were many intermediary companies in Liaoning to make this arrangement. Generally
speaking, one needs to wait a long time for an organ to become available–at least
a few months. However, arranged by those intermediary companies, you wouldn't
need to wait for two or three months. They said two or three months were too long
and a big burden for patients who needed the kidney transplant operation. You
can come anytime and they can arrange to do the transplant operation when you
come. Then you could recover and leave the hospital in two or three weeks.
Did you get this news from the hospital or does everybody know this?
Zhong: This news was widely spread on the web. There are also many intermediary
companies in Shenyang. This is not a secret anymore, anyone can see this information.
There are also many other places such as Shenyang, Dongbei, Dalian, etc., to do
this kind of business, not only at Sujiatun
that you have fled overseas, what are the things that most worry you? Because
you are not willing to expose your status, what are you afraid of the most?
Zhong: The most worrisome thing for me is that the news I uncovered will not be
able to arouse the international community's response and not be acknowledged
by the media. If so, all my efforts will be wasted.
Do you feel threatened for your safety now?
felt this; my friend is diligently making money and protecting me.
Is there any sign of the threat?
I had been secretly monitored and tailed. I often receive some threatening calls
on my mobile phone.
Zhong: They spoke English, and said they will kill me.
The accent of the person speaking English is like a Chinese speaking English or
a native speaker?
Thrombosis Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine in Sujiatun by
Jin Zhong, a pseudonym of the former Chinese reporter. RFI has not gone to Sujiatun
to carry on an on-the-spot investigation, therefore at present we are unable to
confirm or deny Mr. Jin Zhong's view.
A report from Le Figaro
The Washington Times
Reuters published a story on March 30 from
On March 28, the spokesperson
The Chinese reporter using the alias Jin Zhong
Reporter: How did you discover the facility
Jin Zhong: It was very accidental.
Jin Zhong: Yes
Reporter: What made you have
Reporter: Had you got in
Jin Zhong: It is difficult for me to repeat the
Reporter: It was reported
Jin Zhong: I can not
Reporter: Then who were the most
Jin Zhong: Based on my investigation,
Reporter: You investigated this matter;
Jin Zhong: The crematorium
Reporter: Did you have a conversation with the
Jin Zhong: Do you mean the farmer who heated the
Reporter: Then you heard this
Jin Zhong: It is not that I heard this indirectly;
Jin Zhong: How can I put it? For instance, we can
Jin Zhong: They did not dare to say this,
Jin Zhong: I don't know
What I felt the trick was that, in Shenyang
Jin Zhong: I
Jin Zhong: Once I felt
Reporter: What did they say?
Jin Zhong: That's difficult to tell.
The above describes the investigation on the Liaoning Provincial
Original article date: 14/April/2006